It is Time to Talk to Chuck about the Fees he Charges to Purchase and Sell Vanguard Funds (2024)

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It is Time to Talk to Chuck about the Fees he Charges to Purchase and Sell Vanguard Funds

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It’s Time to Talk to Chuck About the Commissions Schwab Charges on the Purchase and Sale of Vanguard Funds

By J.R. Robinson, Financial Planner (October 30, 2023)

It is increasingly clear the FTC did not do consumers any favors when it approved Charles Schwab’s acquisition of TD Ameritrade in 2020. The takeover not only reduced consumer choice of trading and custody platforms, it also exposed millions of TD Ameritrade customers to higher fees and restricted their access to ultra-low-cost Vanguard index funds.

Specifically, Charles Schwab does not permit automatic systematic investment or withdrawal into Vanguard (or Dimensional Fund Advisors) mutual funds. Although Schwab does permit these funds to be held and traded on its platform, it charges investors a $45 commission to purchase or sell.

When I called Schwab Support to complain, I was told that it is a “ticket charge”, not a commission. Ummm…Okay, call it what you like, but it is still a petty, onerous, superfluous fee that the consumer should not have to pay and that they did not have to pay previously when their accounts were custodied at TD. The Schwab rep then told me that Schwab charges this fee because Vanguard refuses to pay Schwab for shelf space on its platform. These shelf-space fees are called 12b-1 fees and Vanguard has always avoided charging them to keep fund shareholder expenses low.

TD Ameritrade did not charge commissions to purchase or sell Vanguard funds because they rightly reckoned that consumers (and Registered Investment Advisors who chose TD’s platform for their clients) would keep other assets on the platform too. I have always been a heavy user of Vanguard index funds for my financial planning clients and was forced to migrate my client assets from TD to Schwab over the Labor Day weekend. I have many clients who invest relatively small dollar amounts each month into Vanguard index funds. For these folks the $45 commission is prohibitive. Across my client base, I project that the feel will collectively cost my clients tens of thousands of dollars.

Truth in Advertising? Schwab Has Always Talked a Big Game About Commission-Free Stock and Mutual Fund Trading

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As Schwab says in this ad that appeared in the September issue of The Economist, “…if you are not completely satisfied, our Satisfaction Guarantee will make things right and Schwab will reimburse eligible fees related to your concerns.” This is music to my jaded ears. My clients did not have to pay this fee at TD Ameritrade before. They are exceedingly unhappy that Schwab is charging them now, and they would very much like to avail themselves of the “Satisfaction Guarantee.”

An Escape Clause in the Fine Print?

In tiny print and faint greyscale, the disclaimer beneath the ad reads as follows:

If you are not satisfied for any reason, at your request Charles Schwab & Co. or Charles Schwab Bank, SSB (Schwab Bank) as applicable with refund any eligible fee related to your concern. No other charges or expenses, and no market losses will be refunded. Refund requests must be made within 30 days of the date the fee was charged. Schwab reserves the right to change or terminate the guarantee at any time. Go to Schwab.com/satisfaction to learn what’s included and how it works.

I visited the Go to Schwab.com/satisfaction link, and I do not see language or exclusions that would give Schwab an opportunity to easily weasel out of its Satisfaction Guarantee with respect to the Vanguard ticket charges.

Here is the process Schwab provides for customers to request a refund –

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I will be following this process for every client who purchases or sells a Vanguard Index Fund. So how about it, Chuck? Will you honor your Satisfaction Guarantee?

I will follow up on this article to let you know whether Chuck is good on his word or not. I would also be curious as to whether other consumers or financial advisors have been successful in obtaining fee refunds.

Of course, it would be better for all parties if Charles Schwab simply eliminated this ridiculous nuisance charge that does nothing but generate ill will with investment advisers and consumers.

John H. Robinson is the owner/founder ofFinancial Planning HawaiiandFee-Only Planning Hawaii.He is also a co-founder of fintech software makerNest Egg Guru.

It is Time to Talk to Chuck about the Fees he Charges to Purchase and Sell Vanguard Funds (2024)

FAQs

Does Vanguard charge a fee? ›

Vanguard Brokerage Services charges a $25 annual account service fee. We don't charge the fee to any of the following: Clients who have an organization or a trust account registered under an employee identification number (EIN).

Is it cheaper to buy Vanguard funds through Vanguard? ›

Investment costs

You won't pay a commission to buy or sell Vanguard mutual funds and ETFs online in your Vanguard account. A few Vanguard mutual funds charge fees designed to help cover high transaction costs and discourage short-term trading.

What is the $75 fee for Vanguard? ›

This $75 quarterly fee will be assessed on enrolled Vanguard Personal Advisor Select Portfolios with assets less than $450,000. Your level of Portfolio assets will be measured and any Exceptions (see below) will be determined on the day that your quarterly advisory fee is calculated.

How much does Vanguard money market charge? ›

The annual expense ratios for our money market funds range from 0.09%–0.16%, or $9–$16 for every $10,000 invested.

How often do Vanguard charge fees? ›

Your account fee is taken every 3 months from the day you opened your account. It is an annual charge calculated daily and deducted in arrears. If your fee is due and you are paying by Direct Debit, the fee will be collected around 8 working days after the due date.

What are the disadvantages of a Vanguard brokerage account? ›

Cons
  • Higher options contract fee than other discount brokerages (Vanguard charges $1 per options contract)
  • No separate trading platforms for advanced traders; no fractional shares.
  • No cryptocurrencies.
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Who is better, Charles Schwab or Vanguard? ›

Overall, we found that Schwab is a great choice for self-directed investors and traders who want access to multiple platforms, plenty of tools, and full banking capabilities. Vanguard works well for buy-and-hold investors who may not be as tech-savvy and who want access to professional advice.

Does Vanguard have hidden fees? ›

Vanguard charges no closing, transfer or inactivity fees. There is a $20 annual account service fee for all brokerage accounts and IRAs that is easily waived for clients who sign up for statement e-delivery.

Is Vanguard Financial Advisor worth it? ›

Vanguard Personal Advisor is best for those with larger brokerage accounts and complex finances. It's a great way to access automated portfolio management and access to financial advice in one place. However, the high minimum balance makes it less accessible to beginners or folks with smaller investment accounts.

How do I avoid the Vanguard annual fee? ›

If you're the primary account owner, you can eliminate the fee on brokerage accounts by signing up for e-delivery of statements and the annual privacy policy notice; confirmations; reports, prospectuses, and proxy materials; and notices, amendments, and other important account updates.

Did Vanguard start charging fees? ›

Effective July 1, Vanguard will begin charging a $25 broker-assisted commission for each Vanguard mutual fund and exchange-traded fund trade placed over the phone.

Which is better, Vanguard or Fidelity? ›

While Fidelity wins out overall, Vanguard is the best option for retirement savers. Its platform offers tools and education focused specifically on retirement planning.

Is my Vanguard money market safe? ›

Money market funds held in the account are not guaranteed or insured by the FDIC, but are securities eligible for SIPC coverage. To learn more, visit the SIPC's website. Money market funds and other securities held in the Vanguard Brokerage Account are eligible for SIPC coverage.

What are the risks of Vanguard Money Market Fund? ›

Because the fund's income is based on short-term interest rates—which can fluctuate significantly over short periods—income risk is expected to be high. Manager risk: The chance that poor security selection will cause the fund to underperform relevant benchmarks or other funds with a similar investment objective.

Is Vanguard brokerage account FDIC insured? ›

Brokerage accounts hold investments such as stocks, bonds, and mutual funds, which aren't insured by the FDIC. Vanguard accounts are protected by Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) insurance. This insurance covers up to $500,000 in securities and up to $250,000 in cash if the firm fails.

Should I use Vanguard or Fidelity? ›

While Fidelity wins out overall, Vanguard is the best option for retirement savers. Its platform offers tools and education focused specifically on retirement planning.

Does Vanguard charge fees to sell stocks? ›

No need to worry: you can always sell your stocks easily at any trustworthy broker, including Vanguard, which charges no commission for trades.

Why are Vanguard fees so low? ›

To keep costs low, Vanguard often uses a sampling strategy to construct its index funds using less than the total number of assets in an index. Vanguard offers funds that track a wide variety of market indices, large and small.

Does Vanguard charge for withdrawals? ›

Low cost. Our account fee is just 0.15% of your investments and capped at £375 a year. With free withdrawals and no extra charges it means you keep more of your returns.

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